CSW 191: Whole Body Creating with Pieter Van WinklePieter Van Winkle is a soul-centric facilitator and men’s leader. He combines wild, clear seeing with an abiding sense of humor to facilitate individuals, couples, and groups towards greater freedom and fulfillment. He gratefully lives on a farmstead in Western Colorado with his dog, Gia.

In this episode we talked about:

  • Pieter’s background in dance
  • How we can have either toxic or healthy, playful relationships with creative outlets
  • When & why he began pottery
  • How getting caught in the trap of perfectionism will paralyze you
  • Looking at your unfinished objects as a blank canvas
  • How Pieter was able to get around the ego in songwriting
  • Closing the loop by sharing your creative work with an audience
  • The Enneagram & how to find out what number you are
  • How he works with his clients

Mentioned In This Episode

Animas Valley Institute

School of Disappearance


Art & Fear, by David Bayles & Ted Orland (aff link; or click here for a non-aff link)

Tribe Conference

Rheti Test

Soulcraft, by Bill Plotkin (aff link; or click here for a non-aff link)

Nature and the Human Soul, by Bill Plotkin (aff link; or click here for a non-aff link)

Wild Mind, by Bill Plotkin (aff link; or click here for a non-aff link)

Melissa’s Something Cool: Topology Eyewear Service & App

Pieter’s Something Cool: Zojirushi Water Boiler

Connect with Pieter Van Winkle



“Our bodies are made to move.” – Melissa Dinwiddie

“Pottery was this place I could just stop thinking for a few hours.” – Pieter Van Winkle

“What’s there is a kind of topography with kind of tall points and low points and different kinds of color and you just simply go in and you have all the freedom in the world to create a new topography on top of that.” – Pieter Van Winkle

“I’m a big fan of trying to find these pockets of expression that feel like they have no ego attached to them.” – Pieter Van Winkle

“The creative sandbox is that mind space of being a little four-year-old kid, where it is all about exploring and making messes. It is not about impressing other people or making money.” – Melissa Dinwiddie

“There was something that really grounded me when I started writing my own songs.” – Melissa Dinwiddie

“When you write a song & you sing a song, you are giving something. If you don’t ever sing that song, what’s the point?” – Melissa Dinwiddie

“I don’t care so much anymore if you think of me as a great artist, I want to be known as the person who got you to do your creative thing.” – Melissa Dinwiddie

“[Enneagram] 4s together — it can be amazing or it can also be like so messed up.” – Pieter Van Winkle

“I was really struggling in these loops with my critic and my comparison self.” – Pieter Van Winkle

“I’m in charge. The soul is in charge. I’m in charge. My deepest sense of what it is to be this consciousness in this lifetime, that is not fully known, but doesn’t need to be fully known, in order to be sovereign, creative, and active.” – Pieter Van Winkle


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